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Exchange As A Result of a Spurgeon Quote

Spurgeon said this in 'A Defense of Calvinism':There is no soul living who holds more firmly to the doctrines of grace than I do, and if any man asks me whether I am ashamed to be called a Calvinist, I answer?I wish to be called nothing but a Christian; but if you ask me, do I hold the doctrinal views which were held by John Calvin, I reply, I do in the main hold them, and rejoice to avow it. But far be it from me even to imagine that Zion contains none but Calvinistic Christians within her walls, or that there are none saved who do not hold our views. Most atrocious things have been spoken about the character and spiritual condition of John Wesley, the modern prince of Arminians. I can only say concerning him that, while I detest many of the doctrines which he preached, yet for the man himself I have a reverence second to no Wesleyan; and if there were wanted two apostles to be added to the number of the twelve, I do not believe that there could be found two men more fit to be so added than George Whitefield and John Wesley. The character of John Wesley stands beyond all imputation for self-sacrifice, zeal, holiness, and communion with God; he lived far above the ordinary level of common Christians, and was one "of whom the world was not worthy."

Hmmm,
Spurgeon said, "I believe there are multitudes of men who cannot see these truths, or, at least, cannot see them in the way in which we put them, who nevertheless have received Christ as their Saviour, and are as dear to the heart of the God of grace as the soundest Calvinist in or out of Heaven."
If they "cannot see them" it must be God who keeps them from seeing in His sovereign will.
If they "nevertheless have received Christ as their Saviour" it must not be necessary to believe in Calvinism.
Then you can't blame me for not believing in it, and according to Spurgeon, it doesn't matter.

As I've said to you before, Bret, if you are right and I am wrong, it does not matter. However, if I am right and you are wrong....it does.



Hello [ ]. This is the first time I have gotten a response from you since I moved to Idaho I think. Anyway, you said: "As I've said to you before, Bret, if you are right and I am wrong, it does not matter. However, if I am right and you are wrong....it does."

Actually, you have it backwards. If you are right, and I am wrong, the atonement aspect doesn't change (in mind) but since I have been baptized as a believer, I'm still covered. If I'm right and you're wrong, you are hellbound because you believe water baptism is salvific in part and the person's decision determines their destiny therefore holding to an insufficient sacrifice by the Savior. That is a false gospel that is really no gospel at all. Your Jesus, your Savior is not the bible's Savior, and Someone that failed to do what He said He would do (...for he shall save His people from their sins-Mt. 1:21). I like you as a person Perry, but you are deceived and are deceiving all that you are teaching, therefore you will receive the greater condemnation (Jam. 3:1). Study [ ] study!

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